Interview with Rahim Ansari and Afsal Ansari

(Q1) INTERVIEWER: So, what's the name of this neighborhood?

(A1) RAHIM ANSARI: This neighborhood's name is Agarwal Toli.

(Q2) INTERVIEWER: Where does this name come from-the name " Agarwal Toli."

(A2a) RAHIM ANSARI: The neighborhood had that name from the very beginning.

(A2b) AFSAL ANSARI: the Agarwal s live here.

(Q3) INTERVIEWER: From the beginning..

(A3) AFSAL ANSARI: The Agarwal s live here, that's why.

(Q4) INTERVIEWER: When did your family come here?

(A4) RAHIM ANSARI: We've been living here for a long time-from the time of my paternal grandfather.

(Q5) INTERVIEWER: What changes have taken place in the village since you and your family came here.

(A5a) RAHIM ANSARI: As far as changes go-it's the same as it was. Changes and stuff, well don't see them.

(A5b) AFSAL ANSARI: Seeing the number of people, you can say that there has been a change in population-but it's still the same. But there weren't as many houses back then-the population has increased, it has really increased apart from that there's been no change-there's been no progress

(A5c) RAHIM ANSARI: There were the Naxalites and now the Ranvir Sena and the Naxalites -there's this party and that party, the world is full of political parties.

(Q6) INTERVIEWER: So in the last thirty years what changes have you seen in your life and in the village?

(A6) RAHIM ANSARI: You keep asking about the village-I'm not seeing any changes and stuff going on here. I do see that telephones have been installed and electricity's been here since my childhood but if you try to use the phone, you'll always get a busy signal and the electricity is wanting. Look at the pole and wire up there-when the electricity comes sparks will fly and the electricity will go-the electricity doesn't stick around. They say that this village has been electrified but in reality there's no electricity-they just say that there's electricity.

(Q7) INTERVIEWER: And you, sir, what changes have you seen?

(A7) AFSAL ANSARI: (pointing to RAHIM Ansari) What you were saying hit the nail on the head.

(A8) RAHIM ANSARI: And the roads are the same way-if you travel along the road, it a terrifying experience, it so unstable in places.

(Q9) INTERVIEWER: And who lives in this neighborhood.

(A9) RAHIM ANSARI: Well the people change

(Q10) INTERVIWER: For example, who lives in Agarwal Toli.

(A10) RAHIM ANSARI: Muslims live here-the Khan s.

(Q11) INTERVIEWER: Has there been any impact from the English travellers who came here or from contemporary travellers?

(A11a) AFSAL ANSARI: During the time of the English, there was good administration-there wasn't murder.

(A11b) RAHIM ANSARI: Murder.

(A11c) AFSAL ANSARI: Now there's a lot of murders-two, three people being murdered at a time. Nowadays there are shootings and no way to find out about it-if you want trouble then the local administration will give it to you, people are afraid that they'll come here, take money and disappear.

(A11d) RAHIM ANSARI: There's a lot of corruption and bribery. There's a lot of corruption from top to bottom.

(A11e) AFSAL ANSARI: They'll sell the entire country, consume it all and still their stomachs won't be full-they only want money. From top to bottom there are no honest workers-they're all taking bribes.

(A11f) RAHIM ANSARI: The public could be thrown into a red hot oven and it wouldn't matter to these people whether they lived or died-which is to say that they are only looking after their own interests. The people who carry the rod of government, people in administrative service are only looking after their own interests-everyone looking after himself. No one's taking care of the public. In the time of the English at least there was discipline. To be sure, the English committed atrocities, but that's a different matter. There was discipline-there wasn't all this thieving and robbery and stuff.